Central Montana Prospectors
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Gold on That Thar' Globe!!

     When you have a chance to create a snow globe, you scour the house for objects to use as you ditch the Dollar Store or Michaels in options, you gather some random piece to see what might behoove you in class. 

      Sure enough with the encouragement of others in class, antique Lady Liberty without her scale got an earth ball that quickly got golden nuggets to represent the weight of the world with golden opportunities to have and behold those beautiful shiny things. 

      It's gold at her feet and the propulsion of a golden flower to her backside that means the shiny golden flakes of sparkly gold will shower down whenever shook throughout the winter to remind us just what can we be doing with the weather warms up and our winter doldrums dissipate. Our gold pans in hand will bring the richness of the earth to us without a bit of trouble.

Packing Some Heat

      Would you like to drop your blood pressure and improve your circulation? Switch out that gun you might be packin' for the long term benefits of the stone rhodochrosite. 

       Here's what it says it will do for you: 

      Rhodochrosite physical healing properties are wonderful for the heart and blood circulation. It helps control your blood pressure and pulse rate. The manganese in rhodochrosite makes it excellent for improving bone growth.

I f you want more information check out this website:  https://www.crystalvaults.com/crystal-encyclopedia/rhodochrosite

 

Slicing and Dicing Rocks

      As we were standing over the gravel at the Blue Jewel Mine, Bruce asked, "What do you do with your sapphires that are uncuttable?" I shared lots of ideas, but here is one for your winter rocking activities: How about slicing and dicing them with Andrew Luna's cutter and then carving messages on them with a small Dremel tool? Sell your wares; give them as gifts to co-workers and friends you meet.  

      Mark Amundson of Stix N' Stones rock shop in Great Falls gives his rocks as tips to waitresses. 

Metal Attraction

      "It's funny how metals like each other." says Andrew Luna, a rock hounder and cutter out of Helena, Montana. When he was given a rock to slice in his cutter from a mine in Montana from Blaze Wharton, he didn't know what he would find. But with the weight, one could tell it was lead and maybe gold. 

     For sure the gold sparkled and the lead was embedded, but the need for these two metals to form in the earth together signifies the significance of formational attraction eons ago.

      The question I asked when I saw his live video this new year was, "Can you crush it and get the gold from it?" In Great Falls at the Heritage Days put on by the Fly Wheelers at the fairgrounds, the machinery is in place to do it and gold can be had by this process. 

      Check out Andrew Luna live on facebook for opportunity to talk rocks. He offers up lots of experience with rock hounding in Montana. We are lucky with his resources for exploration with Montana minerals.

In the Winter in Montana, Find Rocks Inside

       New Year's Day to shop is perfect in Missoula. You don't have to dig in the cold, frozen ground, just scan the many shelves of Rockin' Rudy's store and you will find lots.

      The smokey quartz of the Radar Base out of Lewistown are found all polished and shiny, and cheap no less. There were rocks from the Sahara Desert, peacock rocks, orgonite pyramids for healing, colorful ones to buy by the bag for wire wrapping, and healing stones as well.

      It is hard to get out of the store without putting lots of specialites in your pocket for saving and to stop that lustful heart. My bag was full of happiness with rocks, and my account was reduced for sure.

       To add to your collection without much work, this is better than most other rock shops around the state because the cashier is so knowledgable about rocks. It will be a good experience for you to try the easy way. 

Put This Technique on Your List of Plans for Next Summer; It Can Be Utilized In Montana Culverts As Well

Barite Crystals: Where can they be found in Montana?

       Looked this question up on the internet and here is what it said: Boulder River Barite Nice cubic crystals of barite can be found about five miles west of the Whitehouse campground along the Boulder River. Take the Bernice exit off I-15 between Basin and Butte. It is about five miles to the campground. For information, call Montana Tech at 406-496-4395

     Just sounds like to me, this might get put on a list for 2019 prospecting for the summer. If you can buy them at Rockin' Rudy's in Missoula, why not go out in Montana and dig your own? It's worth a try. If you want more ideas of where to go in Montana, check out this website; it has some good ideas with specifics: http://southwestmt.com/maps/gw_rockhoundingmap.pdf

Bringing the Rocks Home

      When those shiny pieces of rock call out to you from a shelf, you ask yourself, "Can I go find them in Montana?" Names fall off websites of rocks that can be found in the search that one has never heard of: scheelite, epidote and argillite. Places to find these are listed and those definitely need researching. 

      Rock searching means that your Montana exploration mode gets kicked on and in the middle of winter, we are getting ready to make prospecting plans for the summer.

      With memories of stories told at the Montana Bureau of Mining and Geology seminar, a presenter spoke about Gold Creek being the first place for prospectors to find gold in Montana, one wants to search too, now.  With a website giving details of phone numbers to call, more interest is peaked. Hmm...not to repeat the adventures of before, new details work to bring the carrot in front of the donkey. Just how many different places can one person go every weekend through the prospecting season? 

       Looking forward to bringing some interesting specimens home in the new year of 2019 and not just from a Missoula rock shop, but from the deep recesses of the great Montana outback. Building the list right now.

Black Opals: Where did you dig them?

      Perfect question asked of Julie Squires at High Tech Automotive in Great Falls. She said she dug them in Nevada.  Hmm...I want to do that. With a quick search of the internet there are sites there that have it set up so one can mine them yourself.

     It's never too late to set your calendar for next year. A trip to northern Nevada would be perfect for Memorial Day weekend or Labor Day when there is a three day openness. 

      Her issue today was where to store them or what to do with them now. Organization of your rocks is a big issue with women who like rocks. Many are still in my car and kids entering it admire them. They are like scenes of mystery and interest. I bet this is a much better trip than hitting up Spencer, Idaho. Check out this website for further information. http://nevada-outback-gems.com/Rockhound/Nevada_opal_virgin.htm   This destination might be a good one for planning 2019 prospecting ideas.

Mining Rights Turmoil: Expect to Fight for Your Mining Rights

       In the newspapers across Montana was the article about Arnold Bakie who finally won his 10-year battle with big mining companies to the tune of $2.6 million dollar settlement, just to lose his battle with life 2 days later.

      But some points in the articles about this story are things one learn after consulting for a time with mining rights activists in Montana. You learn very quickly there are conniving, deceitful behaviors when it comes to the minerals in the land. Big mining companies see the silver, copper or whatever as their right to access over the common man. But with determination, one can prevail, and in this case the family will benefit down the road.

       The big mistake that is made is the fact that some organizations such as the USFS or mining companies, in this case, want to determine how far below the ground a claim can go. A prospecting claim goes all the way to China, if need be. It is owned by the prospector with the claim, channeling through it sideways doesn't make it legitimate. 

        In this case, it meant huge sums of money to Manatore and its various subsidiaries or connections. It was worth $8 billion to them in the Cabinet Mountain Wilderness. The company wanted to tunnel through his claim, which they had no right to do and he won. He fought them and won!! He made mining history for us all. He set a precedence by fighting for his rights. I honor him and his family. The little guy can win because there are prospecting rights that go with governmental claims in forest land. 

      May Arnold get a spot in heaven to help shine down upon us prospectors who want to stand our ground. We need all the help we can get when it comes to greed and the heavy hand of mining interests especially from out of this country. Read more: https://apnews.com/a53bd8864e884b47920477ba88f32b2d

The Source of Our Money in Fort Knox

      Lots of descriptions of how gold is formed were presented in Butte. The graphics, which some presenter called "cartoons" (oh no you don't!!) means you have a description of the changing of the earth's crust forming pockets where that shiny stuff breeds (pardon the description). 

     That yellow stuff rushes into peculiar places as the earth cools and a University of Montana geologist describes it perfectly here: http://www.umt.edu/this-is-montana/columns/stories/montana-gold.php

Gold Comes From Outer Space It Says: What?!!!

Montana Volcano

     Did you know that Montana has a volcano and we are sitting on it? That's one thing learned at the symposium in Butte, Montana recently. The descriptions of it is provided with this statement The last time the Yellowstone supervolcano erupted was 640,000+ years ago. The Yellowstone eruption area collapsed upon itself, creating a sunken giant crater or caldera 1,500 square miles in area. The magmatic heat powering that eruption (and two others, dating back 2.1 million years) still powers the park’s famous geysers, hot springs, fumaroles, and mud pots. 

Here's an interesting site that says more: https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/yellowstone-supervolcano

Trippy Rocks

      At the gathering of rock and mineral hounds, there was an Idaho rock trader who had gone to the Tuscon Gem and Mineral Show 46 times in his life. With such jaunts, one begins to know the vendors and their benefits.

      One of those vendors offered to take a group of 8 people to Morocco, take a list of rocks sought after and make sure there would be trips to dig for those stones in the 10 days for $1000 out of Arizona. Sounds like a deal; more to come.

Know Your Rocks!!

      Don't be like a family in Michigan and use a 100K meteorite as a door stop! Explore, learn, and hear about the value of rocks by attending a symposium in Butte, Montana October 10-13 and learn about rocks everywhere. So, now that it is over, you can still search out the dandies at the Montana Bureau of Mining and Geology Museum. Lots to see.

  You will not only see rocks from around these parts, but there are. African rocks that are gorgeous and unique. On display is the huge gold nugget taken right out of the ground in Butte. Check out what the news is on the meteorite, however, right here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-rock-used-as-a-doorstop-for-the-past-30-years-turns-out-to-be-a-meteorite-valued-at-dollar100k/ar-BBNXE3R?li=BBnb7Kz

Here's an Idea for Winter Panning to Satisfy Your Prospecting Pleasure at Home

Clever Techniques to Fish for Gold, See a Prospecting Shop, and Learn How to Bake Your Black Sands for Easy Panning with Separating Them from the Gold

Prospectors Take Another Giant Step in Montana!!

     We just have the best governor ever!! He is always on the outlook for the needs of a wide variety of people and interests. He recently formed a stewardship of forest lands which is a key statesman step towards protecting the interests of as many as possible for use of our forests in Montana. You couldn't ask for a more insightful man with solid leadership qualities than Governor Steve Bullock.

      What this means to the prospector is there will be a statewide governmental format that our voices of needs for mineral search and responsible opportunity will be heard. With all that governmental contact we had with the Governor's office this year representing the prospector did something to the psyche of governmental views. When the Governor's policy advisor, Patrick Holmes was addresses with, "Certainly the State of Montana has some management over their forests and influence with the USFS!" It's true!  With this forum the Governor is not just leaving the management of Montana's forests and their use up to the federal government he is taking steps to ensure there is a cooperative approach, not just a power play dominant, intimidating role with the citizens of Montana like that which exists with the USFS administration regarding the prospector. Cudos to the Governor of Montana!! He makes opportunity happen.  We are not like Kentucky where prospectors can't even prospect on USFS land, thank heaven!

Seven Rivers in Montana that are Full of Gold

       If and when you get the itch to ditch a prospecting club and strike out on your own, to make a plan of an independent venture, look no further than government land on any of the seven rivers listed on this web site. You can set up shop, go to work with your sluice or gold pan, and/or bring home gravel to work; either way, the possibilities is unlimited because "gold is always being unearthed every day in the world." Is the lucky number 7http://raregoldnuggets.com/?p=4564

Hear or See Where People are Finding Gold; Want to Know More So You Can Stake a Claim Nearby....

      Here's how you do it. Call up Peggy Delaney at the Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology. She looks up on her computer all the details of the area that you think might have gold on the land. She gives you the exact location with the township, range and section so you can find it physically. 

     Then you can go to the Montana Cadastral and look up two views of the land so you know what you are looking at in several different directions. You can get the entire details on any site or claim if you want to. She ID's whether the nearby land is USFS or BLM so you know who to go to for more information. Peggy is such a great resource of all information about claims and mining site and more. The best!! She is the Program Leader in the Mining Archives and her email is MDelaney@mtech.edu or find her on www.mbmg.mtech.edu Public information is handy!!

A Highly Developed Montana Gold Mine with Multiple Levels of Clever Systems Set Up and Working to Find Gold

A Video Just for the Fun of It!!

Get Gold Without Leaving Town 

     Want to sit at home, make a call, and order your gold without leaving town? You can do that right here in the state of Montana by making a call to Top O Deep, a company out of Ronana that sells their gold from their claim in the Garnet Mountains or from miners in Washington or Alaska.

     Either way you look at it, you can get a $15 dollar bag of pay dirt with plenty of gold in it, have Ralph put in a $25 gold nugget and voila, you have a great birthday, anniversary, or holiday gift of the perfect nature. Just call 1-406-676-3503 and have him send you some for your stash of finds.  They are at 37185 Little Marten Rd, in Ronan, Mt 59864. You will be happy to hold your gold in your hand.

Smokey the Bear: Hear This!!

    The first line of your letter says you are a dirty BOOGER!!! No if's, and's or BUTTs about it.

     Here's why: It's your job to provide access to prospector's claims in the forest. You were told that when the government couldn't afford roads into the woods and the country needed development. So prospectors built them long before you were born and when you came around you played King of the Hill and close roads and play games of the claim holders. Bad boys.

    Here's just some of your many unsavory tactics: You make the prospecting club build their own culvert and bridge which is your job. Then you dictate who is at the meeting, excluding women. Then say you are going to deliver a POO Plan 2 1/2 years later, not following your rules of 15 day return notice, keep a reclamation bond for years and stopped mining operations for that long, use your position to negotiate your job to be done by someone else and various, other unsavory lies and mismanagement. Why are you allowed to do this? Stomping on prospecting rights of access all over the place is not in your job description, but you do it anyhow, because of power hungry tactics. Redirection is overdue!!

     

The Forest Service Shuffle: Let's Dance

     Isn't there a term for heads rollin? Start documenting the power hungry levels or inefficient bureaucratic bs and all of sudden things happen. Last year the United States Forest Service was dictating, "We're taking away your access to your claim (and we don't have to follow any rules!)

     Oops this year, with meetings with state level and national level advisors we have our access back, a 3 year stall on a Plan of Operation signed (too late for this season, due 3 years ago) but the USFS gets: a "Men's Club", the ability to write their  supervisor's letters, distribution of lies and promises, the opportunity to kick the woman under the bus, and make the prospectors provide the Forest Service's job of putting in access, all so they can negotiate instead of dictate.

     Now the supervisor Bill Avey is moved out of the district, a woman is brought in temporarily, and change happens. Trouble is the perpetrator is still there.  The prospecting claim holders made some movement up the food chain; it matters not who is eaten in the process by the Forest Service.

The Office of Civil Rights in Washington DC is very helpful. They ask questions, give you answers, send you forms to fill out for violations of your civil rights and want to know details. Then they explain the process of how they handle the reports with each step. The Lincoln Forest Ranger didn't sound too good to them. Using his office to discriminate against women. That's a NO No. Had a 120 days to report it; did it in one. A comment given: with all the jockeying of employees, it almost sounds like ADMISSION OF GUILT!

Harassment of the Prospector

      Memorial Day in Zortman, Montana, the Yellowstone Prospecting Group can dig up the creekbed and make giant piles of rock and gravel in the middle of the road blocking it and BLM accepts, "We are working as fast as we can!"

     The Libby prospectors can dig out the hillside, work and block long areas with multiple trommels and water hoses everywhere with USFS approval.

     But the Lincoln District Forest Service will not allow the Blackfoot River Chapter of GPAA to do their simple plan of digging a hole for gravel for club members for two years now without any repreive in sight. The giant disparity is excruciatingly horrendous proving there are no limits to the extent of power the giant bullying by the USFS goes. We have to suffer at the hands of a federal agency that has been allowed to go too far and too long with the citizens of Montana who are stakeholders here. Where is the balance, leadership, and fairness for the prospector? Then they keep your bond money for years after the reclamation is completed satisfactorily and won't return it to the club, but rather put stipulations to it about going to an individual, not a group? Logic gone, only power remains. More to add: The USFS told our prospecting group point blank they didn't have to follow the ADA or Americans with Disabilities Act. Here's a quote right from their prospecting handout that states otherwise: The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) prohibits discrimination in all its programs and activities on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, and where applicable, sex, marital status, familial status, parental status, religion, sexual orientation, genetic information, political beliefs, reprisal, or because all or part of an individual's income is derived from any public assistance program. (Not all prohibited bases apply to all programs.) Persons with disabilities who require alternative means for communication of program information (Braille, large print, audiotape, etc.) should contact USDA's TARGET Center at (202) 720-2600 (voice and TDD). To file a complaint of discrimination, write to USDA, Director, Office of Civil Rights, 1400 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20250-9410, or call (800) 795-3272 (voice) or (202) 720-6382 (TDD). USDA is an equal opportunity provider and employer.  I think I will write a complaint about the Ranger in Lincoln District Michael Stansberry for what he said. 

 

Another note to add to the complaint to the Office of Civil Rights: Apparently Michael Stansberry, the ranger out of Lincoln, Montana thinks he is above the law AGAIN!!!! He stipulated he would only meet with the men of the club, exclude the representative woman, and thinks that is appropriate. Get this Michael Stansberry: That is discrimination and your terms of employment prohibit that. Apparently you don't know what you are doing and think you are above the law!!  This dude needs to lose his job or get some serious training exercises. I know: he's been in the woods too long. He's got that Lincoln, Cabin Fever!! He needs a change. 

Respecting the Rights of the Prospector

     The Helena District of the USFS is conducting public meetings about the proposed use of the forest land all over.  It appears that their intent is to use a majority of votes for the use of land with designation of various levels of use without the inclusion of the rights of claim holders in the areas. Each claim has the mineral rights to all the land below the surface.

      Last year at the annual symposium in Butte the Montana Bureau of Mining and Geology had presentations of a two year process where the staff had visited all 8000 claims and determined if they were active or viable. They have current records of all across our state. If the USFS doesn't include the information from this Bureau developed in 1910. they are excluding the rights of the prospector of accessing their claims. This means the government agency is above the law and thinks they don't have to follow it.  Closing off  roads, and wilderness areas with active claims is illegal because the prospector has a right to access their claims whether the USFS thinks they have a territorial determination or not. Without the knowledge of what is recorded in the Bureau, proceedings are not being conducted properly. Viable information is being excluded. And decisions are being made without complete knowledge of ownership of what. 

  Gemstones Found on this Website:

       Two years of traveling around the state of Montana exploring places to prospect for gems, fossils, specialty rocks, and gold then returning to write up the experience for you to see and learn from is an invaluable assest for you to access from your computer at home.

       If you click on Treasure Hunting Year 1 Treasure Hunting Year 1 and Treasure Hunting Year 2 Treasure Hunting Year 2, click on the gold button, it will open you up to descriptions of what you might find on each site. This "trippin'" occured from the middle of May through the end of September for both years. That is a wealth of information with many excursions for your perusal. The array is far better than you can find in a book, because it is provable, true and direct. Check these links to make your summer time plans. With preplanning and exposure to your potential sites, better experiences are gained. 

 

 

Effects of Government Implementation on Mining Claims

Charter Differences

The charter for the US Forest Service says it is in the business of selling trees. When they operate with bullying the prospector with a mining claim, making up rules, aren't they operating out of their jurisdiction??? 

Who's on First? 

The Mining Laws of 1872 were created by the Congress and invited the US citizen to go and prospect on the land out West. This was long before the US Forest Service was ever created. Does the prospector take precdence over the USFS?

BLM vs US Forest Service

The prospector has to fill out endless forms for their claims with BLM and there is no further contact with them. The US Forest Service makes up their own rules to govern the claims. Two departments confusing the public and themselves. 

Regional Differences

Discover this...if your claim is in one region supervised by one USFS official, and is compared to another there is a vast difference and some can be held hostage to the lack of consistency in operations. Discrimination can rule.

Additional Points to Consider with Mining Claims

Volleying Repsonsibility

When one needs to address state or federal authorities about inequities in treatment with prospecting claims, don't get caught in the volley between state vs federal. It is happening in your state so let them know you won't accept blame placement elsewhere. 

No Rule Book 

In the prospectors' defense know there is no rule book. The USFS makes up stuff as they go to see if they can get away with it. Example: Lincoln District said our club could only dig 10 feet deep. Placer claims have all minerals below the ground no matter how deep it goes. Fake rules!!

Prior Presence

If the USFS decides they are going to close the road to your claim, one point to make in your rebuttal to their demands is that access has been there for a long time and the club or claim owner expect that access to continue, especially if there is no inclusion in the decision. Notification is key.

Not Included

If the USFS claims ownership of any of your mining claim such as moving your tailings or making changes to your claim, know that if there has been meetings with the fire district or for water issues, if they haven't notified the mining interest in their decisions, they are in violation of procedures of  fairness in operations.

 

Montana Recreational Interactive Map

Most of  these dots are reviewed  in our Treasure Hunting 2016 and Treasure Hunting 2017 pages. 

Just click the orange links to learn more about all these sites.

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  • Hopeless #1 GPAA Claim
  • Blackfoot River Chapter
  • Zortman
  • Libby Creek National Gold Panning Area
  • Lucky Dawg # 1 2 3 GPAA Claim
  • Golden Back Achers GPAA Claim
  • Ole Miner
  • Bacon And Beans GPAA Claim
  • The Montana Blue Jewel Mine
  • Gem Mountain Sapphire Mine
  • Spokane Bar Sapphire Mine
  • Blaze N Gems
  • Crystal Park
  • Ruby Reservoir
  • Spencer Opal Mine

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  • Montana Petrified Forest
  • Great Plains Dinosaur Museum
  • Blaine County Museum
  • Earth Science Museum
  • Mineral Museum
  • Glendive Dinosaur and Fossil Museum
  • Baischs Dinosaur Digs LLC
  • Museum of The Rockies

 

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